The Passion of the Christ

[Usagi]

Ok- befor I say anything more- This Topic has been taken off my other boards so many times, I just want to have a mature and respectfull ( to yourself and others)- Comment and thoughts, I dont want anyone to get hurt in this, and Please- Keep on topic with this . if it stays on, but I really want to speek about this. Because I did learn alot-
this is only Oppinoins and not really "attempting " to hurt or offend, if It dose be a good person and icnore, this is just how I personally feel ^^** and you guys, I hope will put yout thoughts to this as well, Im just tird of Immature responces.


I learnd so much about the Crusafiction, and the differences btwn the Romans and Jews (Which the guy who played the king of the Romans, he wasso cool with his words, "You, will be cursifide, but it will be not by my hands"- *Squeels*

It was really great, I cryed baddly when the nails were driven into him and him repeating the qoutes we all reconized from the Bible.It was really not that bad as I thought, well from all the media talk, But, I really think they should have done a whole lot more # on Chirst when he was being tortured, and really, Wemon were not that open out , So I would have heavily exspected some man Oertake amung the wemon, and some goory stuff from the rest of the movie.

I personally have a conection with this because, in a religouse sent, God saved me, and Yea- I have a harder life then most- (Hydrocepholous, miner hart probs- and diffeculys learning and moter skills)- But- I think He chooses people to be like that- because they have the hart to battle threw life, no matter what the outcome may be- Just like when Jessus was beaten and crusified- he was ready, and knew what he had to do in life.- and God gave him the streaghth too- And We should never take our lived, or how we look or how we are into fault because- like Chirst- god would have a plan for you too?- See what I mean?- not to be all religiouse on yall lol.

Now Im not tryingot be a bad person. I just feel that what ever Mel Gibson desided to put into that film thar might have seem "to Violent" or whathave- But it is what happend- And everyone who sees it - Chirstion or not- should feel something tword it- Not goingot get babtized, of be Chirtionized or Evin clame you saw god- But a reminder of what a mna went threw- to save you- good or bad or Blasfamouse or Holy.- I do not think at all this move was what people have been makeing it out to be, and all the lallygag.- It should not bwe you watvhing something of pain a Man went threw, because he went threw it for Everyone, to Remind you that he loves you, And seeing it, it much more understanding to it, then reading. I think.

[Robert Wetherelt]

Hello; I have not seen this film,but, from what I've heard, it's much too violent ,too bloody and very anti-semitic{ it portrays the Jewish people in a bad light} I feel that Mel Gibson has killed his career by making this extremely one-sided film and the fact that the actor portraying Jesus has said that he was born to play this role is a bit arrogant and somewhat blasphemous!! I will NOT be going to see this film. As a form of protest.

[Robert Wetherelt]

Hello...me again; I would also like to say that the Dojo is no place for this kind of discusion. One's religious beliefs should be kept private and not forced upon anyone else. So...in future, stay on topic{Usagi} thank you.

[Gaffey]

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[ziritrion]

People seem to get riled up over religion and politics.

And football/soccer. At least, around here.

[Andy]

Like Usagi, I too found it very inspirational. I don't feel that it was anti-Semitic. I think it clearly showed that a certain few conspired in secret to crucify him. Some resisted it and some jumped on the bandwagon.

I think the point of the story is, if God did come in the form of man, He probably wouldn't be as popularly received as we might think.

I realize there is a wide range of emotion regarding this movie, and I respect both sides views.

[takematsu]

the actor portraying Jesus has said that he was born to play this role is a bit arrogant

I suspect he said that BEFORE he got struck with lightning. Some critics are harsher than others.

from what I've heard, it's much too violent ,too bloody and very anti-semitic

I've not seen it, so I can't speak on the matter too coherently, but on the violent/bloody front: It is, after all, a movie about capital punishment in a pretty hairy-chested part of history. Ick! As far as the last item, if it is that way, I offer Mel a raspberry of "knock that foolishness off".

I would also like to say that the Dojo is no place for this kind of discusion.

I'm in rough accord with this, in as much as people can get REALLY bent out of shape in religious matters. We should all consider the nature of the forum when we're getting ready to post something-- even if it's not a pot-stirring topic like this, it may not be appropriate. For example, I have three of the CUTEST cats in the whole world, and not once have I <pauses in act of getting pictures out of wallet>... er, ahem.

[Usagi]

I would also like to say that the Dojo is no place for this kind of discusion. One's religious beliefs should be kept private and not forced upon anyone else. So...in future, stay on topic{Usagi} thank you.

*sighs*- I am not trying to bring people to be one faithn over another, And I am not forcing you or other to read this. I said so in the begining to Incnore this if you feel you dont want to read it.
And Yea, its off Topic to the Dojo- I said if it was and if the webmaster (saw it ) and was unhappy with it hear, then it could be taken off, if it was desided too. Im not trying ot start a desuput or argument with this. Thats all, I just want to speek about the Passion, soon this will be old and knowone will look at it.

[too lazy to log in]

Kon nichi wa,

There have been a lot of posts on this site that are no where near being on topic, and no one bothered to complain, so why the sudden whining now? It would not be the first movie to be discussed on this forum!

Personally, I believe Usagi went out of her way to apologize and smooth any ruffled egos prior to making any comments or expressing any of her personal opinions on the film. The movie made a deep impression and she wants to discuss it with other people, people she feels she has a connection with.

Again, Personally, I feel honored that Usagi feels that she can share personal experiences, whether prom date uncertainties or movies which have made a deep impression on her, with the members of this forum. It shows, to me, just how much Usagi Yojimbo has influenced her - that she feels she can discuss such matters with a bunch of complete strangers whose only connection to her is an interest in this comic book.

Usagi has brought a bit of life to this board since she joined and I find myself continually suprised by her postings, most of which are usually somewhat off topic. Maybe another board needs to be set up where fans of Usagi Yojimbo can post off topic messages(?).

Abayo...

[Usagi]

Wow.......I have no words for once....

[Todd Shogun]

I saw this movie and enjoyed it. Definitley not as violent and gory as some have described it (although I did happen to see Dawn of the Dead the night before, so....). True, it showed a lot of torture that will most likely disturb many viewers (myself included), but it was not gratuitous or overdone in anyway. Also definitely not anti-Semitic or one-sided in any way...totally confused as to why people are saying this. True, the movie does show many Jews pushing to have Jesus executed, but that is exactly was is reflected in the book this movie is based on... and is definitley not anything new. Also, I think the Romans were portrayed in a much more "bad" light (for lack of a better term) than any of the Jews...and it was pretty apparent to me the relentless cruelty of the Romans against this man was mainly because he himself was a Jew...had he been a fellow Roman I doubt they would have been as merciless.

If anything I think this movie showed that not all people are perfect...not Jews, not Romans, not even Jesus' own followers (Judas). I certainly didn't leave this movie with a disgust for Jewish people, just as I didn't leave Pearl Harbor with a disgust for the Japanese, or leave Stigmata or Dogma with a distaste for Catholics.

[Heero]

or leave Stigmata or Dogma with a distaste for Catholics.

Are you dissing the Catholics? Cuz you know, Loki clearly says in that film that he doesn't believe in VOODOO! (ok, that had nothing to do with anything)
On the topic at hand, I haven't seen the movie so I can't comment on it, but I think it's RIDICULOUS to make comments like this:
Hello; I have not seen this film,but, from what I've heard, it's much too violent ,too bloody and very anti-semitic
Based on cursory information one could EASILY claim that 'Usagi YoJimbo' is "Too violent, too bloody" and maybe xenophobic. If you've SEEN it and have that opinion, that's one thing, but to put down a work (be it book, comic, film or other) without having seen/heard/whatever it, that's just ridiculous. I personally feel that Usagi YoJimbo is none of these things and any violence or blood is in context. 'Saving Private Ryan' was ALSO a VERY bloody and violent film, but all of such was in context. If you've SEEN the film and think the material IS excessive in the given context, then so be it, but otherwise, lemme show you a samurai rabbit building up a bodycount at LEAST in the teens. (no offense Stan, I LOVE Usagi for your incredible stories, and am waiting for the inevitable Usagi+Tomoe day ^_^)
As for the rest, I agree with "too lazy", Usagi wanted to discuss the film with interested people, considering how many threads "die" after the opening post or maybe 1-2 replies, if you're not interested, just leave it alone. But this has already gone on too long and I DON'T want to put a flame fight on this forum. I WELCOME any emails or PMs on this topic, but other than that, I'll leave well enough alone. (sorry for the need to comment)

[Robert Wetherelt]

Yo' : I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my previous diatrabs. I'm just tired of organized "religions" stuffing this dogma down my throat. I thought that the one place that I could take a breather from it was here in the Dojo. I am a confirmed agnostic{ leaning towards Buddhism}.I have sickened on Christianity due in large part because of the "plague" of "Televangelists"{Hypocrites for short}. I get so tired of this "End of the World" crap! My life hasn't been a barrel of laughs by a long shot. I'm 47 years old and I'm just starting to get my head above water. And I don't need Christianities "chicken little" patter messing with my frail psyche."The sky is falling,the sky is falling and if your not one of us,it's going to fall on you!!" So, please excuse my mental daiheria...I have a very thin skin. But, I am trying my best to alter my intolerant viewpoints.{ hence the lean towards Buddhism.}oooohhhhhhmmmmm!! Abayo!

[Usagi]

takematsu- When you postes about the Actor playing Jesuse getting hit by lightinging twice, - I read that too ^^ I find that really Cool- yet odd.I also think that the Actor was just goofing off when he wasing meaning he was born to play the role of Christ (Which He kicked BADWORD in doing)- I do that sometimes in Musicals, Like I love Les, Miserables, and Eponin is my all time fave char, I learnd all her lines and Songs, for the Musical, and I think I do well- And I joke about me being born to play that role, but really, I know there has been many other people who has played her befor. And he, was not the first Jesuse to be played in a move- Like the ones you may see on the Chirstion sitcome channals, with movies and reinactments.- But Still realy cool.

And- I waned to see this- Once I found out it was "Not a Play" LoL - I thought that for months!- Till I seen something on TV about the Actor getting hit by lightning, and Mel Gibson.He made so much money off this movie- and I think he had the guts to do it himself regardless of what the other producers thought- beforhand of the film.

I can honestly say- I had a different view with the Crusifiction of Christ, maybe thats why I am fond of the Movie. I always thought ( and got mixed up)- There is a lot of segments in the bible at which I was confussed about for years.

I thought the Roman's were looking for Jesus of Nazorith- because they thought he was the blasfimous one. (Thus Killing the baby boys)
Once they found him, they Crusified him, and the Jews were sad, and they followed him, (all of them)- Jesuse said, to his people that he was the Messiah and he would come back.- Then the Romans Crusified him.
thats what I always got.


Robert Wetherelt, you said "And it portrays the Jewish people in a bad light? this extremely one-sided film ?"

Well The Jews, form What I saw in the film, One side of Jews were Jesuses Followers, and the others, Like the Rabis, thought he was a fake, (thus being a profit of todays Jews)- And they are the ones who wanted Jesus Crusified, so bad that the Romans wanted them to choose over a Merderer, who was set free- And I felt, that the Romen king was shocked by their Dissition.
When Chirst Dragged the cross, the other Follower Jews, were by his side, ni the faith that he would come back.- And I did not know that Jesuse got help from another jew, to help Carry the cross.- I thought that was so powerfull because , I am a christion, and beliving one type of story for years, so this, Was A BIG Eye opener for me.....and my most recent work. (I dont go to church and I am not Saved or babtized) but yes ^^ - I will stop for now- I forgot what else I was going to put......

[Usagi]

Oh forgot to say, Robert Wetherelt
I have no hard feeling tword you, Justthought to let you know, you were, As anyone, just stating your oppion ^^ - I dont think you anything bad or wrong, justthought to let you know- incase you kinda Ikky- I get that way alot - Just keep swimming ,swimming , swimming ,swimming .....