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swordsmanship myths

Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:24 -0700
by Fliege
Does anyone know if there are any japanese myths about how people first learned how to use the sword?

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 20:32 -0700
by Leonardo-san
Depending on the sword style, there are a variety of them.
Some had legends of learning swordsmanship from the Tengu.
Some from other kami.
I wish I had time to go dig up some notes and book references, but I don't at the moment. See what I can do over the next couple of days. Plus some others may have some excellent references.
:)

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 22:27 -0700
by Stan Sakai
Japan's greatest hero, Yoshitsune, learned the art of swordsmanship from a tengu.

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:17 -0700
by Angelcake the Fox
Stan Sakai wrote:Japan's greatest hero, Yoshitsune, learned the art of swordsmanship from a tengu.
There's ALOT of myths about the tengu.

I'm starting to wonder if the tengu myths were based on real people.

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:38 -0700
by Fanfan
A reference about japanese gods :

http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/tengu.shtml

The article about Tengu and links are really interesting ones!

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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 20:42 -0700
by Fliege
Thanks!

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 22:53 -0700
by Tim
stan goes over the creation myth pretty thoroughly in grasscutter. but it would be fun to know more about the actual training of yoshitsune. maybe in grasscutter 3...

also, i'm really interested to learn about "the other time" usagi dueled the tengu of the mountains. not sure which issue i'm talking about (must be somewhere in fathers & sons), but usagi flashes back to the time he battled the tengu. there's a throwaway gag at the end where usagi mentions his punishment was far worse the other time he battled the tengu...i'm dying to read that!!!

Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:16 -0700
by Thommo
May be unrelated, but:

Mr. Stan, Wikipedia article "daimyo" states that there are 3 types of japanese feudal lords - shinpan, fudai and tozama. Is this touched somewhere in Usagi stories?

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:09 -0700
by Thommo
Nobody knows, eh?

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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:58 -0700
by Steve Hubbell
Thommo wrote:May be unrelated, but:

Mr. Stan, Wikipedia article "daimyo" states that there are 3 types of japanese feudal lords - shinpan, fudai and tozama. Is this touched somewhere in Usagi stories?
Wikipedia wrote:Ieyasu also divided the daimyo into three groups, depending on how close they were to the ruling Tokugawa family: shinpan, who were related to the Tokugawa, the fudai daimyo, who had been vassals of the Tokugawa or allies in the battle, and the tozama daimyo, who opposed the Tokugawa but were defeated.
I had to take a quick look at the Wikipedia article to see if I was thinking of the right definitions for the different groups....

I don't recall any of the terms being used (I could be wrong), but I am sure that they were never used as the basis of a story. It might be too soon following the Battle of Adachigahara and the Shogun of Usagi's world might still be consolidating his power and organizing his administration, the act of which contributed to the creation of the various groupings.

Then again, I think we have only met two Daimyo of Usagi's world, three counting the future husband (?) of Tomoe Ami.... :D

Abayo.....

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:43 -0700
by Thommo
2 daimyo? You mean Hikiji and Mifune?

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:47 -0700
by Steve Hubbell
Those are the only two that I could think of off the top of my head.

There was probably another one in "The Dragon Bellow Conspiracy" but I don't remember his name (and he is dead now anyways).

Can you think of any appearances of other Daimyo in Usagi Yojimbo?

Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:06 -0700
by Thommo
Yes, Lord Tamakuro was Daimyo, for sure.

:arrow: http://www.usagiyojimbo.com/characters/tamakuro.html

And young Noriyuki will be lord, I think, if he survives all assasinations. And there were all kinds of lords in Grasscutter prologues, even though it was well before Usagi time.

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