Why did Mariko lie (of omission) to Jotaro?

Post by **Mayhem** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 15:29 -0700

Thing is, they both know now. The complicated part, from a "don't leave them TOO long like that Stan, please!" viewpoint, is that neither of them know that the other one knows!

So Usagi knows Jotaro is his son, but doesn't realise that Jotaro knows this too. And vice versa.

Hugegoat · Post by **Hugegoat** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 20:46 -0700

well, This is a lil spoiler, so dont read it if u dont want to.

Shouldnt yall have noticed by the hints the people left behind?
Like, For example,

People alwways saying jotaro looks like usagi's son!

Ace the Bathound · Post by **Ace the Bathound** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:25 -0700

Howdy,

Master Katsuichi also knows the truth about who knows what, but he didn't say anything to Jotaro at the end of the "Fathers and Sons" TPB either. If Lady Mariko is to receive any condemnation for making Usagi and/or Jotaro suffer, then Master Katsuichi should be the recipient of an equal amount of anger for the exactly the same reasons.

I think Master Katsuichi stayed mum because he didn't think it was his place to meddle in the relationship between Jotaro and Usagi, no matter how well-intentioned he may be about it. As close as he is to both samurai rabbits, he still isn't family.

Unless, of course, the external constraint that prevents Mariko from telling Jotaro the whole truth is not Kenichi at all, but Master Katsuichi! WHAT IS MASTER KATSUICHI HIDING??!?!?!??!!

Or maybe I've been reading too many conspiracy theories lately.

I also remember that Mariko told Usagi to leave at the end of book 6. Any reason for doing so would also seem to apply to not telling Jotaro that Usagi is in on the big family secret.

-- Ed

MikeM · Post by **MikeM** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:38 -0700

Ok, everyone feels bad for Usagi and son, but doesnt anyone feel bad for Kenichi?
I mean come on. His childhood rival becomes a samurai of distinction where as he loses. His wife loves Usagi and gives birth to Usagi's son.
Kenichi raises his rivals son as his own, and everyone wants Jatoro to be with Usagi insted of Kenichi.

Usagi may have been the birth father, but Kenichi raised him. So I think he should get the same respect. After all, fathering a child is easy, raising him takes a real man.

MikeM - feeling bad for Kenichi.

Post by **Steve Hubbell** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:36 -0700

MikeM wrote: His childhood rival becomes a samurai of distinction where as he loses.... MikeM - feeling bad for Kenichi.

His childhood rival became a swordsman of distinction, but he is still a ronin and a member of the losing army of the battle that put the current regime in power.

Kinichi, on the other hand, had the responsabilities of becoming the headman of his village thrust upon him unexpectedly, and has apparently taken the job to heart.

Stan has yet to go into the history of Kenichi and Mariko's relationship and the conditions which led to their engagement. I can not recall it being mentioned that they were engaged prior to Usagi and Mariko's last "picnic".

I, for one, would love to see "Kenichi's Story" told.

Abayo.....

MikeM · Post by **MikeM** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:35 -0700

Steve Hubbell wrote:
I, for one, would love to see "Kenichi's Story" told.

Abayo.....

Me too! I would love to see that!

MikeM

estee · Post by **estee** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:59 -0700

Kinda would like to see Kenichi rise up and become a memeber of Hikiji's court or district magistrate, a highly respect man. Not because of his rivalry with Usagi, but based simply on merit.

chickrockguitar · Post by **chickrockguitar** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:13 -0700

Steve Hubbell wrote:I, for one, would love to see "Kenichi's Story" told.

Yes, I would too. That would be cool. Perhaps from early childhood, going past learning Bushido as a child/teen, then how he met Mariko and finally what happened when Jotaro was born. Hehe, that would be cool.

Perhaps, Stan could tell of this, when, one day, Kenichi and Usagi meet up, and for some reason (bad weather? thrown in jail?) they are stranded together some where and they get "talking" about the past... hehe.

estee · Post by **estee** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 18:27 -0700

chickrockguitar wrote: Perhaps, Stan could tell of this, when, one day, Kenichi and Usagi meet up, and for some reason (bad weather? thrown in jail?) they are stranded together some where and they get "talking" about the past... hehe.

Or better still, have Usagi captured by Hikiji and have his fate left in the hands of Kenichi, who is now the District Magistrete. Now that would rock.

chickrockguitar · Post by **chickrockguitar** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:05 -0700

Haha. Yus, good one estee-san!

... And so, in the cells, Kenichi starts talking about his past etc... blah blah blah, and then as he's telling the story, he seems to get more pissed with Usagi (mostly about Jotaro), and decides that he's better off with Usagi out of his life, forever. (*gasp*) So he arranges for Usagi to be killed.

Mariko pleads with her husband to let him go, but to no avail (Kenichi feels that with Usagi gone, he can now be a real father to Jotaro once again - He doesn't know Jotaro knows, right?) BUT! Jotaro hears of his and rushes back to save his father... and arrives just in time.

Kenichi then brakes down and says he did it for Jotaro. Jotaro is angry with him, but Usagi says he understands (like the nice guy he is), he did it for his son, etc... so Jotaro softens... and things go from there...

Okay, I rambled! Sorry!

MikeM · Post by **MikeM** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 7:36 -0700

chickrockguitar wrote:Haha. Yus, good one estee-san!

... And so, in the cells, Kenichi starts talking about his past etc... blah blah blah, and then as he's telling the story, he seems to get more pissed with Usagi (mostly about Jotaro), and decides that he's better off with Usagi out of his life, forever. (*gasp*) So he arranges for Usagi to be killed.

Mariko pleads with her husband to let him go, but to no avail (Kenichi feels that with Usagi gone, he can now be a real father to Jotaro once again - He doesn't know Jotaro knows, right?) BUT! Jotaro hears of his and rushes back to save his father... and arrives just in time.

Kenichi then brakes down and says he did it for Jotaro. Jotaro is angry with him, but Usagi says he understands (like the nice guy he is), he did it for his son, etc... so Jotaro softens... and things go from there...

Okay, I rambled! Sorry!

I don't think Kenichi would be dishonrable that way. Kenichi and Usagi were friends at one point, weren't they? It would be nice to see them come to an 'agreement'.

MikeM