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Tip-In Plate Question

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 13:34 -0700
by maichan
For those of you that have the Limited Edition Signed and Numbered Hard Covers, I have a question... actually two questions.

Does book 1 have a tip-in plate? The photos in the Dojo Cover Gallery don't indicate one.

Where are the tip-in plates located in your books?
Out of the 4 books I have (#'s 2, 3, 4, & 5), three are on the inside front cover, but one is on the opposite endpaper (I thought that was odd).
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FYI for those that don't have these books. Books 1(?) thru 7 have tip-in plates, while all the later volumes have a signature page.

Re: Tip-In Plate Question

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 13:59 -0700
by Usagi-chan
What exactly is a tip-in plate?

Re: Tip-In Plate Question

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 14:13 -0700
by Mayhem
Tip-in plate is a small page or illustration attached to a book at a later point. As demonstrated by the picture provided by Maichan. For the Usagi hardcovers, books 1-7 had b/w tip-in plates glued to the endpapers (all mine at the front I believe). Books 8-12 had original unique illustrations in each signature page. Books 13 onwards had a proper artwork there instead.
maichan wrote:Does book 1 have a tip-in plate?
Yes. https://www.flickr.com/photos/mayhemers ... 0478145089

Re: Tip-In Plate Question

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 14:16 -0700
by maichan
Usagi-Yojimbo wrote:What exactly is a tip-in plate?
From wikipedia:
In the book trade, a tipped-in page or, if it is an illustration, tipped-in plate or simply plate, is a page that is printed separately from the main text of the book, but attached to the book.

A tipped-in page may be glued onto a regular page, or even bound along with the other pages. It is often printed on a different kind of paper, using a different printing process, and of a different format than a regular page.
You can see them in my photo. They are the smaller sheets with an illustration and are signed and numbered. They are glued onto the page.

Re: Tip-In Plate Question

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 14:18 -0700
by BuckRogers
Really good info to know just in case I ever get the urge to try to start collecting a few of these hardcovers. Need to make sure that the dust cover is present and that the "tip in" plate is present on those first 7 volumes. Are they always glued in or are some loose leaf with the volume?

Re: Tip-In Plate Question

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 14:19 -0700
by maichan
Mayhem wrote:Tip-in plate is a small page or illustration attached to a book at a later point. As demonstrated by the picture provided by Maichan. For the Usagi hardcovers, books 1-7 had b/w tip-in plates glued to the endpapers (all mine at the front I believe). Books 8-12 had original unique illustrations in each signature page. Books 13 onwards had a proper artwork there instead.
maichan wrote:Does book 1 have a tip-in plate?
Yes. https://www.flickr.com/photos/mayhemers ... 0478145089
I wonder if my "Wanderer's Road" tip-in came loose at some point and was re-applied since it is on the inner end paper?

Re: Tip-In Plate Question

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 14:40 -0700
by Maka
I have book 4 hardcover that doesn't have a tip-in plate. I can't remember the story exactly. But I think they had produced more than the limited run and somehow the ebay seller I bought it got a copy. Sometime later I asked Stan for a sketch at a signing. 8) peace, maka

Re: Tip-In Plate Question

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 16:50 -0700
by Mayhem
Yes, I recall at least a couple of the hardcovers being mentioned that there were more made than the number of tip-in plates, and thus a small portion of them do not have them present.

Btw something else not mentioned in the cover gallery or the threads here, a few of the hardcovers have different front and end papers I believe. Certainly book 6 (Circles) does, I spotted that during taking the photos for the hardcover art thread.

Re: Tip-In Plate Question

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 17:47 -0700
by Stan Sakai
The Dark Horse HCs have the signature plates "tipped in" at the printer. Fantagraphics pasted their signature plates in their office. That is why all the DH HCs have tip-ins, but the Fantagraphics ones do not. I guess it depended on who pasted the Fantagraphics ones in as some have them on the inside front cover and others have them on the facing page. Each publisher printed more than enough, but Fantagraphics ran out of plates and so there are a few HCs without them. They sold those for much less.

I do have a few HCs left--Book 4 and Books 20 and above, I think but am not sure.

Re: Tip-In Plate Question

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 17:54 -0700
by BuckRogers
Mayhem wrote:Yes, I recall at least a couple of the hardcovers being mentioned that there were more made than the number of tip-in plates, and thus a small portion of them do not have them present.

Btw something else not mentioned in the cover gallery or the threads here, a few of the hardcovers have different front and end papers I believe. Certainly book 6 (Circles) does, I spotted that during taking the photos for the hardcover art thread.
What do you mean by "front and end papers"? Not the same thing as the Tip-in plate?

Re: Tip-In Plate Question

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 18:25 -0700
by maichan
BuckRogers wrote:
Mayhem wrote:Yes, I recall at least a couple of the hardcovers being mentioned that there were more made than the number of tip-in plates, and thus a small portion of them do not have them present.

Btw something else not mentioned in the cover gallery or the threads here, a few of the hardcovers have different front and end papers I believe. Certainly book 6 (Circles) does, I spotted that during taking the photos for the hardcover art thread.
What do you mean by "front and end papers"? Not the same thing as the Tip-in plate?
Endpaper: a sheet of paper, often distinctively colored or ornamented, folded vertically once to form two leaves, one of which is pasted flat to the inside of the front or back cover of a book, with the other pasted to the inside edge of the first or last page to form a flyleaf.

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Re: Tip-In Plate Question

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 18:33 -0700
by BuckRogers
Got it! Thanks!

Re: Tip-In Plate Question

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 18:43 -0700
by maichan
Here are some examples of the various formats that Mayhem mentioned...

Books 1-7 have b/w tip-in plates glued to the endpapers
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Books 8-12 have original unique illustrations in each signature page. This is also called a tip-in page.
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Books 13 onwards have proper artwork.
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And here are examples of several endpapers

Book 19: Fathers and Sons
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Book 20: Glimpses of Death
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Book 21: Mother of Mountains
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Re: Tip-In Plate Question

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:50 -0700
by Gaffey
I forgot how cool the endpaper was in Glimpses of Death.
maichan wrote:Does book 1 have a tip-in plate? The photos in the Dojo Cover Gallery don't indicate one.

Oops.

Re: Tip-In Plate Question

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:11 -0700
by BuckRogers
Gaffey wrote:I forgot how cool the endpaper was in Glimpses of Death.
maichan wrote:Does book 1 have a tip-in plate? The photos in the Dojo Cover Gallery don't indicate one.

Oops.
Yes that one is cool but I REALLY love the Mother of Mountains endpaper. Wow!