silly thing *settled

[miyamoto musashi]

i was having a conversation today about the country at war and such, and a silly little question arose"who was the first shogun", my friend said, oda nobunaga, and i said tokugawa ieyasu. so aparently it was nobunaga for a short amout of time, then he was forced to commit sepukku.

please use your magical flashlights of knowledge to shine some light on this.

nobunaga was defeated by mitsuhide akechi right.

[miyamoto musashi]

whoa, wait, first shogun=ieyasu or fist tokugawa shogun=ieyasu

im really confuse case i researched and it said minamoto yoritomo=first shogun

[miyamoto musashi]

anyone play saxophone, ya me niether

[takematsu]

The FIRST first shogun was Minamoto no Yoritomo, who established a defacto military rule in 1185, and was officially made seii taishogun (Top Barbarian-smashing General) in 1192. The shogunate changed hands a few times, and effectively fell out of power during the Onin War (1467-1477). The Civil Wars which followed were more or less settled by Nobunaga but before he was declared Shogun he was assassinated. His successor Toyotomi Hideyoshi was of insufficient rank to be made shogun, but he had JUST ABOUT the same amount of governing power. Tokugawa engaged in a breif struggle for power after Toyotomi's death in 1598, and was the first shogun of the last shogunate, installed in 1603.

It's all on the net-- all you need to do it ask it nicely

[Stan Sakai]

The FIRST first shogun was Minamoto no Yoritomo, who established a defacto military rule in 1185, and was officially made seii taishogun (Top Barbarian-smashing General) in 1192. The shogunate changed hands a few times, and effectively fell out of power during the Onin War (1467-1477). The Civil Wars which followed were more or less settled by Nobunaga but before he was declared Shogun he was assassinated. His successor Toyotomi Hideyoshi was of insufficient rank to be made shogun, but he had JUST ABOUT the same amount of governing power. Tokugawa engaged in a breif struggle for power after Toyotomi's death in 1598, and was the first shogun of the last shogunate, installed in 1603.

It's all on the net-- all you need to do it ask it nicely

Yoritomo became shogun as a result of the Gempei War (touched upon in Grasscutter), and so began the Kamakura Period of Japanese history. Military dominance would pretty much continue until the Meiji Restoration in the 19th century.

Hideyoshi rose up in ranks from a foot soldier to become military dictator. He did not have the proper lineage however, so he could not be proclaimed a shogun. I believe his ultimate title was "taiko", though he had the same powers of shogun. There will be more on Hideyoshi in the "Search for Hideyoshi's Gold" story arc.

[miyamoto musashi]

ahh, the disput will be settled without bloodshed.*sheathes sword*

well ill be on my marry way

[takematsu]

...on my marry way

Who's the lucky girl?

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

[miyamoto musashi]

ahh, thank you for pointing out the fault of marry instead of merry

very obsevant